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Nancy McClelland: Welcome to She Counts, the Real Talk podcast for women in accounting. We're your hosts, Nancy McClelland
Questian Telka: And Questian Telka.
Nancy McClelland: And every episode we're digging into the real experiences, challenges, and unspoken truths of life in this profession.
Questian Telka: Because if you've ever felt like you're the only one, [00:00:30] you're not and you shouldn't have to figure it out alone.
Nancy McClelland: Special thanks to our lead sponsor, forward Lee, and to try Merit's Bridging the Gap Conference and their unique CPA podcast with Randi Crabtree, who announced our podcast back in April. They're helping us bring these conversations to life, enabling us to share out loud what everyone is thinking, but no one's saying.
Questian Telka: Today's episode is a special kickoff celebration of season two. [00:01:00] Not only are we recording live from Bridging the Gap, as Nancy mentioned in Denver, but we also have a special guest with us, Aaron Cohan of Upkeeping, LLC. Thank you, Aaron, for being here and for moderating the session with us. Aaron runs the Wave Conference for women that I was recently at. It was incredible. It's for women in bookkeeping, accounting and finance. And, um, I think it was, along with Bridging the Gap, one of my favorite conferences of the [00:01:30] year. Just incredible.
Nancy McClelland: I have massive FOMO from not being able to be there because I have heard so many wonderful things about it. Um, second only to Bridging the Gap, which is the conference where we are today with a live audience. It's very exciting. Aaron is going to be moderating today's recording, collecting and sharing audience questions as well as those submitted ahead of time by listeners. We're both huge fans of hers, and I have to call out that this is a special anniversary [00:02:00] for us because we met last year at Bridging the Gap. It was because of this conference, and you became one of the founding members of ask a CPA. Sure did. And it was just later that month, I believe. Um, Erin, we are so grateful to you for being here with us to celebrate.
Erin Pohan: I am so honored to sit here with both of you. And yes, last Bridging the Gap. I knew no one when I walked in the doors. And the. It is [00:02:30] a wonderful time to be a woman in accounting this last year with not only wave Seattle, but now we have she counts and so many opportunities to really share our voices. So thank you.
Nancy McClelland: Thank you for being here.
Questian Telka: And if anybody here is a listener, you already know that we like to launch every episode with a story. And today Erin is going to share a story with us that I think embodies what we're trying to achieve [00:03:00] with She Counts podcast to make sure that no woman in accounting has to feel alone.
Erin Pohan: Yes. So as I mentioned, when I walked through the doors of Bridging the Gap last year, I only knew people from their tiny little circles from LinkedIn. And so walking through those doors, my goal was to actually get to know the people in real life. And so one of those people was Nancy. And there [00:03:30] are certain types of very special people when you say hi, I know you from LinkedIn will turn their entire body to you, look you in the eye with genuine curiosity and say, I want to know you too. And that's who you were. And so when I love bridging the gap. I had not only connected with you, but several other people. I'm sure you all have [00:04:00] seen the last three days, like there's just so much potential for new connections and relationships at this conference specifically. I left and I said, okay, I'm going back to Seattle. Like, how do I like, meet more people but not go to Orlando or Las Vegas? Like I want people now. And so I thought, well, maybe someone just needs to throw the idea of hosting something here in Seattle.
Questian Telka: Can I ask you a question? Yes. [00:04:30] Does Randy know that he inspired that?
Erin Pohan: I tell Randy every time I see him, I'm like, you need to stop doing these things because you're giving us too big of ideas. I told him that last night.
Erin Pohan: I'm like, stop. Um,
Nancy McClelland: So bridging the gap inspired The Wave conference?
Erin Pohan: Yes, absolutely.
Nancy McClelland: I had no idea. Yep.
Erin Pohan: So I went back and hosted an event for women. It was a beautiful evening. We had a few speakers and there was great momentum, so I said, let's do it again. And the power of [00:05:00] LinkedIn is so amazing. I threw it out there. People said, yes, I want to attend. Yes, I want to sponsor, yes, I want to speak. And we had an event. And so good news for you. We're doing it again.
Nancy McClelland: Yes. I saw the news just came out.
Erin Pohan: Yep.
Nancy McClelland: So what's the date?
Erin Pohan: May 15th, 2026.
Nancy McClelland: Two days before my birthday, I think I know I must be coming to Seattle for my birthday.
Questian Telka: I definitely.
Erin Pohan: Need to have a birthday.
Questian Telka: Cake ready.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah. Perfect.
Questian Telka: Okay, jump out of it. Oh.
Nancy McClelland: I would love [00:05:30] to jump out of my own birthday cake. As long as it's not chocolate. I'm allergic to chocolate, so we're going to have to plan ahead for this. That's exciting.
Erin Pohan: Vanilla is delicious.
Nancy McClelland: All right.
Erin Pohan: So okay.
Questian Telka: So let's get started. You have questions that have been submitted prior. And then we also have an audience with us who will be submitting questions along the way. So keep them coming because, you know, if we don't have any questions.
Nancy McClelland: What are we going to talk about? [00:06:00] Oh no. There's no way we're going to think of anything to talk.
Questian Telka: Yeah, we never do that. No, we don't talk.
Nancy McClelland: Okay, so.
Questian Telka: This.
Erin Pohan: Is the the first episode of season two. So we have a whole season under our belts already. Yes. And what I would love to know, it's two part, but I would love to know what might be. What would you say is the hardest part of just having put having done the entire let her finish the [00:06:30] question. You're like ready?
Nancy McClelland: It's the hardest part. I'm like, it is so hard to make this podcast. I had no idea. Mad props to anybody out there who does a podcast. It is so much work. And the thing is, is that question and I were delusional.
Questian Telka: No, I knew.
Nancy McClelland: All right. I didn't.
Questian Telka: Want to tell you, because then, then.
Nancy McClelland: Then I would say no. She had already been bugging me for two and a half years to do this, so I definitely [00:07:00] would have said no. The thing is, I was delusional because we have earmarked. Right? Like earmark is an amazing, amazing podcast production company. And I was like, oh, they're going to do all the hard work. But I didn't realize how big the world of hard work there was. I didn't realize how much effort we were going to want to put into planning and rehearsing and executing each podcast. Just coming up with we already had the ideas, but coming up with the [00:07:30] outline, coming up with the flow, it's like writing a session to present at Bridging the Gap. You know what I mean? It takes many hours to do that and then to rehearse. So that was time consuming. Um, and.
Questian Telka: We don't do like neither Nancy or I do anything halfway.
Nancy McClelland: I wish I did.
Questian Telka: Three quarters way or it's like, oh, we're going to do it 150% instead.
Nancy McClelland: So yes. So that has been really time consuming. And that's our own quote unquote fault. But um, we [00:08:00] really want this podcast to, to, to be the vision that we had for this podcast. And so it takes that much time. But I also didn't realize that I was going to have to find sponsors. That is hard. It is so much work for anybody out there. For example, Aaron, for you and your conference, for anybody out there who has to find sponsors, it is not easy. You have to prove your value. And for a podcast that had not launched yet, that's a really hard thing to prove. The value, which is one of the reasons [00:08:30] we're so grateful to forwardly, because they just took our word for it. And then social media and marketing, oh my gosh, it's so much work. We feel behind all the time. Literally all the time. I see some nodding heads from some podcasters in the audience. And so, you know, it's just all a lot more time consuming than I expected, however, and I'm going to turn this over to question because she's the one who reminds me.
Questian Telka: Oh, of our why. [00:09:00] Yes. So our I mean, this is why we're doing it for all of you and all of the ourselves, of course, because this is something that we wanted and we didn't have. But for all of the women in our community and trying to bring topics to light that help, I don't know. There are just things that need to be talked about.
Nancy McClelland: Things that need to be said out loud that we're like, you know, maybe if we're lucky, talking about them to each other, like in the restroom between sessions at a conference, like, no, [00:09:30] let's get those, let's give them airtime. Yeah. And so I will get exhausted sometimes. And she's like, remember our why, Nancy?
Questian Telka: Why are we doing this?
Nancy McClelland: This is way more important.
Questian Telka: And, you know, it's gotten to the point where I'm like, maybe I shouldn't say this on a recording that my clients might hear, but I'm gonna put it out there. I'm like, I just want to do this all of the time.
Nancy McClelland: Yes.
Questian Telka: Yeah, we both love it.
Nancy McClelland: I love my clients.
Questian Telka: Yeah. Me too.
Nancy McClelland: Um. But this, this and ask a CPA are my are my babies? Yeah. They're my passion passions in life. [00:10:00]
Erin Pohan: Okay, so then.
Nancy McClelland: On.
Erin Pohan: That note, what's the what's been the best part?
Questian Telka: I think the best part is getting to spend an hour with each other every time we record.
Nancy McClelland: Oh, I did not expect that answer. That is so sweet.
Questian Telka: It's like even, you know, we want to make an impact. And that's been really important too. But I'm like, even if we don't, you know, or even if people didn't, it didn't resonate for some reason, which, you know, we would obviously hope that it does. But even if it didn't, I was like, we get to [00:10:30] spend more, actually more than an hour, but we get to spend an hour with each other recording and then all the prep time that we have, and then we really get to dig into these topics too, which are things that have been on my mind and on her mind and are really important to us. And so those that's my those are my favorites.
Nancy McClelland: For me, I would say the best part is I did not expect so many people, women that I know. Actually, I'm going to say women and men, because I've gotten this from [00:11:00] both people that I know and that I'm close to, and people that I don't know at all, and everyone in between. I did not expect so many people to be coming up and saying, when you said this one thing, I'm going to cry. It made me feel less alone. I have a girlfriend who's I hope she's listening. I know she'll be listening at some point. I love you, girl. You know who you are. She just had her second stroke and it was a shock. The first [00:11:30] one was a shock. The second one was a bigger shock. Um. Everybody knows everybody here knows Randy's story about that second stroke, right? So she's in that place right now. And she said, driving back and forth to her doctor's appointments. She listens to she counts and she feels less alone. And I'm just like, wow. I don't care how many hours it takes. And she's not the only one who said things like that. And it's just hearing people's stories, hearing that something resonated. Hearing that. [00:12:00] Um, maybe we said something out loud that they were thinking but didn't feel comfortable saying out loud. And now they are saying those things out loud to other people. We are giving other women permission to say these things out loud.
Questian Telka: To unmute themselves. Yes, everybody to unmute themselves.
Nancy McClelland: So that's the best part.
Erin Pohan: And what you are doing is a ripple effect because you're giving them you're helping [00:12:30] them realize they have permission and then they can share their thoughts with others more freely and more openly. And that is so important.
Questian Telka: And I will, I'll add sorry, I didn't know. I will add that Nancy will send me clips like someone will send an email, or they'll send a text message and she'll send it to me. And it's like, I can't say the number of days where it's happened, where it's like, I'm having a really rough day myself. And then someone from the community has [00:13:00] sent a note like what she is talking about, saying this was impactful to me because of XYZ and I'm like, I needed that today. So it's like emotionally.
Nancy McClelland: So do you remember when Eileen Gilpin? I know there are a lot of bookkeeping buds in the audience represent she she posted in Bookkeeping Buds Slack about what a difference it made for her. And about a week later I posted in slack, um, thanking her and a couple of other people who had made a big difference in my life [00:13:30] because gratitude is like that. She was so grateful for what we were doing and how it made her feel less alone. And then her saying the things that she said gave me, um, some energy and some real inspiration that I needed in a time when I was really, really struggling with, uh, what's been going on with my mother. A lot of our listeners know that my mother has recently moved into a nursing home. It's been extremely difficult argument with Medicaid. I am struggling, I'm a struggle bus big time. And she said that and I was like, [00:14:00] wow. So she's thanking us for doing what we're doing. But then the the note that she wrote totally changed my week.
Questian Telka: That was a really unexpected element of doing the podcast. That is really meaningful that I didn't expect. Yeah, yeah.
Nancy McClelland: I absolutely didn't either. So for me, that's the best part.
Erin Pohan: What has it felt or looked like to really put yourself out there so publicly?
Questian Telka: Terrifying. [00:14:30]
Erin Pohan: And I mean, you even already said it like you. There's this fear of saying the wrong thing. You're like, oh, I'm being recorded. You know, like. Yeah. What? How do you work through that?
Questian Telka: I mean, I have gotten to the point where, and we have an episode. It's do it anyway. And so it's like, it's terrifying and I'm going to do it anyway. And you know what? I accept the fact I'm going to say something wrong. I'm going to say something that's going to piss someone off. They're going to get upset. I'm here to ruffle feathers, quite honestly. [00:15:00] Like, and it's terrifying to me to do that because I'm a hardcore people pleaser. She knows. So I think it's just reminding myself that of the why and what the end goal is and what we're what we're doing here and the reason that we're doing it and accepting the fact that I'm not perfect, nobody's perfect. I'm going to say something wrong. And and that's and that's okay. And, you know, I can apologize. And when I do, I probably already have at some point, but.
Nancy McClelland: Well, okay. [00:15:30] I'm really glad you you you ended with that because it's a perfect segue into mine, which is which is very different. Um, I can't stand the fact that question apologizes all the time. It makes me insane. This is this happens in in podcast recordings. It happens in texts. It happens on slack, the bookkeeping buds. No. Um, it makes me crazy because I'm like, stop apologizing for existing, girl. You're doing an amazing job. We don't need to apologize. We apologize when we've done something [00:16:00] wrong. And somebody needs to know that it was unintentional and that you recognized it. That's when we apologize. So I've got a thing about this. Um, I don't have the kinds of fears about saying the wrong thing, because I have been saying the quote unquote wrong thing since I learned to talk. I talk a lot. I'm out there. I'm a big personality. And so, um, I'm going, I know I'm going to say the wrong thing. And if I said [00:16:30] something that hurt someone, I will sincerely apologize later on. That can happen. But for me, the terror is that there are a lot of people out there. I don't know a lot. There are some people out there who think I'm too much. I'm intimidating.
Questian Telka: I am going to be an entire podcast.
Nancy McClelland: There's going to be an entire podcast about this. I've heard that I'm intimidating. I have heard that I am, um, stage grabbing, mic grabbing, that I'm attention [00:17:00] seeking. And, um, this has been really painful to me because I don't feel that way. I feel like whatever the person on stage said resonated with me and I want to participate. I feel like that person over there did something amazing, and I want to make sure that the world knows about it. I want to make sure that the person who was scared to come to the conference the first year knows that they are loved and that they have a voice, [00:17:30] and that they have agency and that they have choice. And I want to help give other people the microphone, too, right. That's how it feels to me. But I know it does not look like that to everyone else. I have heard it plenty, and I've been in therapy for it because it is hard. And so I'm terrified that people will listen to this and they'll be like, who does Nancy think she is? Just grabbing that mic again? She doesn't have enough airtime. She had to start her own podcast. And I don't want anybody to think that we [00:18:00] started this for any other reason than I needed this when I was younger. I need it today. I need to feel like I'm not alone, and I don't want anybody else to feel alone. And I am terrified. Terrified that they will think I did it for self-serving purposes.
Erin Pohan: One of the speakers spoke on perspective. And there's going to always be two different perspectives, and you just focus on the voice of how about my experience of you were the reason I'm back at bridging [00:18:30] the gap this year. And I walked in the doors. And I know people because you speak up and you share, so can I.
Nancy McClelland: I gotta find those things and hold on to them. When when the other parts happen. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
Questian Telka: No, I was just going to ask if this isn't putting you on the spot, was it you that were terrified to come? Yeah. Well, I'm going to. I'm going to share a story with you. I've shared this on the podcast before too, but I was in that place as well. Uh, it was Intuit [00:19:00] Connect. Like, what, three Intuit QuickBooks connect when it was QuickBooks connect like three, three years ago. And, um, I was terrified to show up because I was scared to talk to anyone. And I just was like, I don't want to walk up and say hi, and I, I mean, I was just I'm so introverted, which this Seems absurd. Probably what I'm saying that. But I was so introverted and terrified. And now I get [00:19:30] on stage and I teach and I speak and we have a podcast. And I don't know what your reason was for being scared to come, but, um, whatever it is, I hope that you are happy that you came and. Okay, good, good.
Nancy McClelland: Um, I will say questions for that, for that first, um, for that first conference that she went to, that first QuickBooks connect, her goal was to speak to one new person. One. Yeah.
Questian Telka: She's right. [00:20:00]
Nancy McClelland: And she did.
Erin Pohan: I think it happened.
Questian Telka: It happened.
Erin Pohan: Yeah, I think you did it.
Questian Telka: I think it did.
Erin Pohan: I also love it because you made my night last night. You know, you remembered a really silly conversation we had and that was really touching to me. So, like, you came and you are affecting others.
Nancy McClelland: And for the for the listeners who are not watching the video on this, we're gesturing to some wonderful audience members here who are here to support us.
Questian Telka: And we're speaking to some of.
Erin Pohan: Them. [00:20:30] Yeah. Okay. So have you. Well, we kind of covered this, but maybe there's more to it. Have you gotten any really compelling responses from people about the podcast? Also any complaints?
Questian Telka: I, we I haven't gotten any complaints, but I think what stood out to me most is the number of women who feel comfortable walking up and just telling me their story. And I love it. It's the it is. It has been. Another one of the really surprising things [00:21:00] is that all of these I knew already that there were so many women that had similar stories, like MeToo stories. Right. And just hearing the situations and the stuff that everyone is dealing with and how common it is. I was not exactly expecting that that part. So I don't know if. Have we had any complaints?
Nancy McClelland: I mean, I haven't heard any complaints yet, but that doesn't mean that we're not ruffling some feathers. [00:21:30]
Erin Pohan: Five star reviews all over.
Nancy McClelland: We'll find out. And and to that end, please, people in this room and listeners, um, wherever this finds you, please do go in and, uh, rate she counts on whatever platform you're listening on it. Um, and, uh, please leave a review because, um, uh, Zach and David and Blake over at earmark and Chrissy, they all say that that is the way new listeners find [00:22:00] it is if they it gets promoted to them because it's highly rated or because the the comments that are being left are something that the algorithm says, oh, you should listen to this. So it truly helps us find new listeners.
Erin Pohan: All right. We all have homework. If we haven't.
Nancy McClelland: Done.
Erin Pohan: So, we're going to switch the topic a little bit. Why haven't you done an episode yet about women's menstrual cycles and how menopause or pre-menopause [00:22:30] affects women in business?
Nancy McClelland: Because I didn't find out until scaling new heights that this was the number one request. When when women come up and they say, I have an idea for an episode. I would say 80% is we need to talk 80%. I'm serious. I see some reactions in the audience. 80% say we need to be talking about menopause. We need to be talking about perimenopause. We need to be talking about the hormonal changes that happen [00:23:00] when you get pregnant, when when you're postpartum. We need like hormones are number one.
Questian Telka: And the those hormones also shift I have ADHD. We did an ADHD panel recently. It really amplifies and makes ADHD so much more difficult for women. And that's a that's applied to our work and everything that we're doing. So we are we're we're going to do one.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah. We're not just going to do one episode on this. I think we will start with one episode. [00:23:30] And as happens with most episodes, we get partway into planning it and we're like, oh, we've got six episodes of material here. And so we got to move into a later episode. So I think you're going to see a series.
Erin Pohan: Okay, great. I look forward to that. Okay. So this is a question that we actually asked during our Live Wave Seattle podcast that I loved so much. And I really wanted to get your perspective on this being in the same industry in so many facets, [00:24:00] how do you balance collaboration over competition in your friendship?
Nancy McClelland: This is such a hard question. When I saw that you had added it to our list, I had to take a deep breath because and this is something that question and I have not we did not rehearse our answers to these. We were trying to keep it raw. What's she about to say? What's she about to say? Um, there are times, and I have it listed as one of our topics. [00:24:30] Um, for for a future episode. There are times I feel envy. Like jealousy. Real. True. I remember the first time you went to to Scottsdale. Yeah. For you. And I texted her, and I was like, how did she get invited to this? And I didn't get invited. I've been in the industry for over 20 years. How why is she more popular than I am? How does she know all the cool kids? I don't know the cool kids. The cool kids think I'm a nerd. And this comes from somebody [00:25:00] who legitimately, like, got beat up in the locker room in school when I was younger and, you know, had a whole, you know, students against Nancy Skinner Aucklander thing when I was a senior in high school. I've got some trauma stories.
Nancy McClelland: Okay. Somebody else having something that I want and don't have is hard for me. And I will tell you, saying those words out loud in front of this room of people is a lot harder than saying that. Recording the podcast [00:25:30] at my desk at home. But I'm being very real and very vulnerable. I am shaking a little bit because that is hard to say. Thank you. Um, but it's true. And so I talked to my therapist about it. I'm like, why is question more popular than I am? How come I don't have what she has? What you know, what can I do about it? I don't want to be angry or resentful to one of my very best friends. And on the other hand, [00:26:00] I feel like she was afraid to speak out loud when she was a contractor of mine. She was scared on zoom calls. I was the one who said, you need to take theater, public speaking. I was the one who, you know, helped her, um, helped, like, calm her down before her first two, three, maybe 4 or 5 webinars or sessions on still. Right, right. Like I'm that person.
Questian Telka: Why did the other day. [00:26:30]
Nancy McClelland: When I literally.
Questian Telka: I moderated a panel for the first time and I was like, I'm just going to go hide in my room for the entire day before it starts.
Nancy McClelland: And I was like, no, we're going to rehearse together, and I'm going to give you all of my tips on panel moderation. And she killed it. By the way, she for anybody who is in that ADHD panel, that was amazing. She just killed it. Did a great job. So here I feel so, um, accomplished, which I think can make us feel entitled or can at least make us feel, um, like, why have I been working towards [00:27:00] this my whole life? And she's having more success than I am? At least that's your perception. And so I talked to my therapist about it. And because the real problem that I'm struggling with is, why do I feel this way? I don't want to be jealous. I don't want to have envy. I don't want to feel that way about anyone, least of all one of my very best friends. And she said, Nancy, do you want what [00:27:30] she has? I said, yeah. She goes, so that's what envy is. Envy is not. Emotions aren't inherently positive or negative. It is just a fact to say, I wanted to be invited to Scottsdale, I wanted that. How is that a bad thing? It's not a bad thing. It's just real. So I texted her and I said, hey, what's this Scottsdale thing? How come I didn't get invited? Did [00:28:00] you? Did you not invite me? Do you know somebody who doesn't like me? And she explained to me she was like it was my first time getting invited and I was really nervous to be there at all, and I just felt so grateful. And I wasn't going to, like, ruffle any feathers and I wasn't going to say. And I was like, oh girl, thank you so much for telling me that, she explained. Who organized it and what it was all about and everything like that. I was so saying out loud to her, I have envy. It changed everything.
Questian Telka: Well, [00:28:30] I didn't even know what it was. I didn't even know what I was invited.
Erin Pohan: I don't think anyone did.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah.
Erin Pohan: She's like.
Nancy McClelland: Scott's dazzles a thing. Now, I still haven't been invited. Just so we're clear on that. So, uh. That's fine. It's okay. I'm still jealous. That's normal. It's okay. Okay. Jealousy doesn't have to turn into resentment. Mhm.
Erin Pohan: Yeah. Wow. Do you I mean, do you [00:29:00] have. Of course.
Questian Telka: You know, and I think the way that I, I deal with it is is I am genuinely I just feel genuinely happy and for I just feel genuinely happy for you when you have these incredible accomplishments. I mean, look at how many speaking engagements you book. Look at what I mean when we were trying to get sponsors. She's just like, oh, oh yeah, yeah it's fine. Like I'll talk to this one and I'll talk to that one. And I'm like, how did you do that? [00:29:30] I was and of course, like, I'm jealous. And I'm like, I wish I could build the relationships that you do, that you know, that you're able to where you're able to get that done. But then I just watch her and I'm like, I want to be able to do that. And so it's like she's like, oh, I go and I go and I just talk to everyone and I take pictures and like, I'm just building these relationships. And so what did I do?
Nancy McClelland: So she ended up question ended up going to, um, engage wave scaling [00:30:00] new heights, bridging the gap, going to all of these conferences, handing out she counts pins and going vendor to vendor to vendor, introducing herself, telling them about what we're doing.
Questian Telka: That was terrifying, by the way.
Nancy McClelland: Like that's terrifying for me. I just I also want to make it clear that it's not like that is a comfortable space for me to be in. It is very, very hard to talk yourself and your own projects up, but I was lucky enough that I had just. I genuinely like people and am curious [00:30:30] about them and happened to build relationships over the years. You can do that too. Not just you question, not just you, Erin, everybody in this room and everybody listening lead with curiosity. It's something we learned at reframe last year for anybody who was attending that conference. Lead with curiosity and people. People love it when they can tell that you're doing that genuinely.
Questian Telka: I was going to say, and what I learned from that experience, which I did post this on LinkedIn, it's kind of funny, is, um, so, uh, Blake, who is part [00:31:00] of earmark.
Nancy McClelland: Blake.
Questian Telka: Oliver. Yeah, he said I'm going to be there. Let's go walk around. We'll meet everybody. We'll hand out pins. It'll be great. And so we did that. But we're both introverts.
Nancy McClelland: Haha.
Questian Telka: So we didn't hand out hardly any pins. And instead Nicole Davis is like, let me let me show you how this is done.
Erin Pohan: And everyone needs an extrovert.
Questian Telka: Everybody needs an extrovert. And I said next time, like note to self, Nancy gets that assignment.
Nancy McClelland: Yay! [00:31:30]
Erin Pohan: I think that's what makes your duo such a beautiful balance as the extrovert introvert combo that Nancy brings things out of you. Yes, and vice versa. Question brings so much out of you as well. And then together you guys are just an unstoppable power force.
Nancy McClelland: I love you, Erin. Thank you.
Erin Pohan: Well, we have so many questions to get to. Um, and I really I see some of the audience questions coming in to. So maybe we'll do [00:32:00] these a little bit faster, but this one is maybe a selfish question. And I know we have some experts around here, but I went through a really hard season of burnout about three months ago. I'm going through burnout. When you don't invite others in, is very lonely and very hard. And I know we talk about the importance of community, and I want to just make sure everyone remembers, like when you are going through those hard times, burnout, whatever it is, [00:32:30] bring others in. Um, but my question is, when you're going through burnout and you need to reignite some excitement for the business, how did Stella got her groove back? How do you push through those phases and find your spark again?
Questian Telka: I have to I'm like, I have an answer for this one. And my answer is Lynette, where's Lynette? Right there.
Nancy McClelland: Lynette O'Connell who? Lynette O'Connell, who listeners may [00:33:00] remember from she was the first guest on our podcast. And she is the burnout bestie on Instagram, so give her a follow.
Questian Telka: That's right. So I learned something very, very important from her in that episode, and that was that. Neither Nancy or I should be giving anybody advice on this topic. Ever, ever, ever, ever.
Nancy McClelland: Ever. Do not listen to us.
Questian Telka: Lynette [00:33:30] is your person.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah, I follow that burnout bestie on Instagram. That is really all I have for you. I need to I need to learn to start saying no. I said no once. Recently, I was really proud of myself. Um, so at this conference, bridging the gap I am on, I'm on the advisory board. I did two presentations, um, and a live podcast recording, Writing and they asked if I would moderate the panel. It was my good friend Tori McKee over here. [00:34:00] Asked if I would moderate the panel on ADHD, and I gulped because of course I want to say yes. I love Tori. I love this conference, I want to. And actually, she she tricked me because she had Randy text me to say, you know, would you do this? And I started to say no to Randy. And he goes, Tori wants you to. Oh my God. And and I and I remembered the podcast that we recorded with Lynette, [00:34:30] and I took a deep breath and I said, no, I think I'm already stretched too thin at this conference. And also, I think that that panel would be best moderated by someone who has ADHD. I happen to know someone. She's my co-host and she did an amazing job with it. So I did say no once. Thank you. Thank you everyone, I appreciate that.
Questian Telka: It worked in my favor.
Nancy McClelland: And it worked in her favor. That was great. Um, so, um, I don't have [00:35:00] any answer for you whatsoever.
Erin Pohan: This is no idea how relieved I am that you both also don't have it figured out. I'm also relieved that there is an expert in the space. And also, I live by you. So let's go get some coffee.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah, yeah. New networking. Yeah. I'm sorry for for the audience that we don't have anything for you on that one. We really don't. There are.
Questian Telka: We have an episode that's.
Nancy McClelland: Out. We have a whole episode on it with lots of resources and great stuff in the show notes. [00:35:30] But we that is, that we had her on the show very selfishly because we need help.
Erin Pohan: Yeah. Okay.
Erin Pohan: So this one is also a very selfish question, but it is the concept of who does she think she is? And the voices that we tell ourselves when we try to do something big. When we try to start a podcast or create your own conference, like like.
Nancy McClelland: For example.
Erin Pohan: The audacity. [00:36:00]
Nancy McClelland: Yes.
Erin Pohan: And those are the voices that are in. I'm sure I can speak for both of you, but in our heads, when we actually push through and do it and realize it has helped so many other people for good. But how do you push through that? Who does she think she is?
Nancy McClelland: I have a quote, so I mentioned that I get that I have gotten that from enough people, that it is an abject terror of mine that that [00:36:30] people will think that of me. Um, and so I have a mantra, um, if you listen to the podcast, you know, that question and I both have mantras. She's got post-it notes all.
Questian Telka: Over my monitor. Yes. Computer monitor.
Nancy McClelland: Um, I have I have digital post-it notes on this laptop right here that we're recording on. I have digital post-it notes on it, and one of them is by Marianne Williamson. And I'm trying to remember the exact quote. It's, um. When [00:37:00] we let our light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. So when I start freaking out that somebody thinks this or that or the other about me, I try to remember that quote that what I'm doing is hopefully empowering others.
Erin Pohan: Mhm.
Questian Telka: I think for myself, okay. First of all, the ADHD brain [00:37:30] you I'm an EDM fan and all I can think of right now is the Anima song. I can, I can't, I can't sleep because of the voices in my head right now. So remind me of the question because.
Nancy McClelland: Oh. Oh, the number of times in recording this podcast where we, we, we literally have a Google doc in front of us that has the, the flow, you know, the bullet points that show and, and will be partway through and she'll have have it on the screen in front of [00:38:00] her and we'll be like Zach. And by the way, yes, Zach, don't cut this. We're saying that because we're calling out your name. Zach is normally what we say when we need to pause the recording. Um, and, and I am just learning so much like compassion and strategy of having ADHD, a beloved ADHD in my life.
Questian Telka: Okay, so so the.
Erin Pohan: Question is, how do [00:38:30] you get over the, the, the thoughts that you are maybe telling yourself of? Who does she think she is?
Questian Telka: Yeah, that was one of my fears when we started the podcast. But I also had experiences when I was young with getting bullied, and I remind myself that I've pretty much heard it all. You know, when I was in middle school, I'm like, I've heard it all. I don't like hearing it. Words do hurt. I don't want I don't want to [00:39:00] have people make comments that would make me feel that way. But and that goes along with imposter syndrome also. So there's an element and I do suffer with that. Just at a panel on imposter syndrome, at scaling New Heights recently as well. And um, so there's always those like self-questioning moments. So it's a two part thing, like, you know, concern that others are going to have that view of me. And then I kind of sometimes have that view of my, of myself. But when it comes to dealing [00:39:30] with it and what I have determined is I've, I've had I was bullied, I've had people say horrible things to me. I've had trauma like I've gotten through all of it. So if they want to go for it And they want to, you know, it's a reflection of them, not me.
Nancy McClelland: God, I love that. Thank you for saying that. I needed this therapy session today. I need to add to that something about imposter syndrome. This is, um, this is, uh, we are, we are. We have an episode planned on imposter [00:40:00] syndrome. I recently wrote, um, a talk on imposter syndrome for theater of public speaking that, um, is a, like, a 13 minute talk that I'm going to turn into a, um, a session at one of the conferences at some point. I have a couple requests about imposter syndrome. One question. You just said you suffer from it.
Erin Pohan: Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Is it a disease? Are you the only person who has this horrible disease?
Questian Telka: No. And I'll ask. So for the listeners who are not watching the video and can't see everyone who in the room has imposter [00:40:30] syndrome, I asked the same question when we did the session at scaling and like pretty much everyone.
Nancy McClelland: Okay, so here's the thing. If literally everyone in this room raised their hand, then is this a syndrome that we have? Or are these just imposter feelings? The way we feel jealous sometimes, the way we feel happy, sometimes the way we feel depression sometimes. No, it's not a syndrome, okay? Nobody [00:41:00] needs to be medicated for something that literally everyone in the entire universe has, except for those weirdos over there. They're the ones who should be medicated for not having any self-awareness whatsoever, that maybe they can't do everything in the entire world. Okay, so that is we're going to talk about this some more, but I just had to.
Erin Pohan: Okay you guys I looked we have 13.
Questian Telka: Oh my.
Nancy McClelland: Gosh. Oh my goodness.
Erin Pohan: Here I know I'm like okay [00:41:30] sorry. All right I got my answers. But yeah yeah yeah.
Nancy McClelland: 13 questions 15 minutes.
Erin Pohan: I wanted to hit post-it notes in mantras and what got me through hosting a conference was a quote. I don't even know where it came from. Maybe it just fell from the sky, but it was. I would rather be underestimated than feel insecure. And that is what I love. That made me push through.
Nancy McClelland: I would rather. [00:42:00]
Erin Pohan: Be underestimated than insecure.
Nancy McClelland: That's amazing.
Erin Pohan: Than feel insecure. Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: I love that.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah.
Erin Pohan: Okay. So yeah, we've got. Okay. First of all, one of these is not a question, but it says Nancy, people are just jealous because they don't have the courage to do what you do.
Questian Telka: Oh, I love that.
Questian Telka: Thank you.
Nancy McClelland: I'm just gonna cry back there. Crawl under the chair. Thank you to whoever. Thank [00:42:30] you.
Erin Pohan: All right.
Erin Pohan: Said that you ladies are both so authentic. Do you have any advice you would give to someone on a journey to stop dulling their shine?
Nancy McClelland: To stop dulling their shine? Yes, I have some thoughts. If you asked that question, then you're pretty amazing. You're pretty amazing, self-aware person [00:43:00] who has something to say. You have something to say, you have a story, you have lessons. And one of these days you're going to do. As my mentor, Misty Mejia says, you're going to be able to speak from the scar and not from the wound. You matter. You have agency, and if you recognize that your story will [00:43:30] help others, hopefully it will give you that courage that you need to breathe through the fear of what somebody else is going to think. The fear, any of the fears. Actually, I'm just going to say fear. It'll give you the courage to breathe through that fear and do what question says and come out on that other side. Shine brightly, because others need you to shine brightly. If you dull that shine, you rob all of us of the opportunity [00:44:00] to hear your voice.
Questian Telka: Well, and I would I would say that that shines probably been dulled by somebody else, and find people to surround yourself that will that see the best in you, that will help you shine, and not the ones who will cut you down and, you know, um, make you feel bad or question yourself because there are there are people out there who do that. So I mean, it's so finding other women [00:44:30] and other community who will build you up is so important, but not everyone will do that.
Nancy McClelland: So thank you to whoever submitted that question. Great question.
Erin Pohan: Great question. Okay. Do you fight body image issues, and if so, how does that affect your business or willingness to put yourself out there?
Nancy McClelland: Oh, girl. Yeah. [00:45:00]
Questian Telka: Yeah I'm going to I'm going to answer this because I will say, and maybe this is going to be the wrong thing, but like, generally I'm a pretty thin person, right? And so one of the bullying that I actually got when I was young was you were anorexic. You don't eat enough. You, you know, you're I mean, over and over, like, got made fun of you. You have, you know, giant bug eyes and so. [00:45:30] Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Because you're too thin.
Questian Telka: I was too thin in their mind. Yeah, but it was just I was, I ate.
Erin Pohan: I resonate, I have a vivid memory of walking down the hallway in high school, minding my own business, and a girl just saying, girl, you need to eat a cheeseburger.
Questian Telka: I get I've gotten that comment before too.
Nancy McClelland: I have never gotten that comment.
Questian Telka: And I'm like, rude, I do, but, um, I think it comes from that. But then it's [00:46:00] also, I've had, I have had and I always reiterate this first because I want to make sure that it's clear that I've had some really, really amazing male mentors, but I've also had some men who are leaders in my professional life who have felt like it was acceptable and allowable for them to comment on my body. And you're eating that, you know, x, y, z, you're going to gain weight or you are, you know. Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah, w W-2 A. [00:46:30] I was stunned that anybody would ever say that when she told me that. That, and I've heard it from other women too. I never had that happen to myself, but that is absolutely.
Questian Telka: I mean, it's been I can think of three times that it's happened to me, where a man in a superior position to me has made comments about my body at work.
Nancy McClelland: That is absolutely amazing. Um, I have a very different experience. Um, nobody's ever told me to eat a cheeseburger. Um, I [00:47:00] used to be 20 pounds heavier than I am. Um, and, uh, I also had teeth that were very, um, janky all over the place. And, um, I got comments about my weight, and I got comments about my teeth, and, um, it's been really hard for me to find that place where, um, I can tell myself I'm getting my teeth fixed because I. Otherwise I was [00:47:30] going to lose one of my bottom teeth. Right. Like I'm doing it for health and I lost weight because I'm doing it for health. And there's that little voice in my head that's saying, are you doing it for your health, Nancy? Or are you doing it because people make comments about it? I don't know the answer.
Questian Telka: It's probably both.
Nancy McClelland: But, um.
Questian Telka: Honestly.
Nancy McClelland: It's like, I don't know who doesn't struggle with body image. Yeah. I mean, these two are like gorgeous, thin people and they struggle with body image, right? [00:48:00] I was talking to, um, a good friend of mine, Brittany Brown, and I'm now, uh, saying a good friend of mine. I literally just met her at Scaling New Heights a few weeks ago, and we decided within the first five minutes of talking to each other that we were like, new best friends. Um, and I got to see her in Chicago last week, and we hung out together and we spent the whole evening together and we're like, yes, we we we are. This was a match made in heaven. She really struggles with her her, um, self-image to the extent that [00:48:30] here this wildly, wildly successful, incredible woman who has so much to say, who is giving a keynote at a major conference, 2000 people, right, giving a keynote. And she said to me, I'm so scared to get up there on that stage because of what I look like, because she she carries some weight. And I was like, girl, people choose to be in that room. Nobody's forced to go to a keynote. They're going because and they see who's speaking before [00:49:00] they go. They see the name. They see the picture. If they don't want to be there, they just won't be there. They won't be in the room. The room? Yes. And good riddance. The people who are in that room are not there to judge you. The people who are there in that room have gone to hear what you have to say. Because, see, you're walking into a supportive crowd of people. And she was like, oh my God. And she told me the next day she killed it on her key note, and she told me the next day that she had me in her head backstage before she came out on stage, and it [00:49:30] made me feel so good. Literally everybody has body image issues and it's like imposter syndrome. It's just it's like jealousy and envy. These are normal things. Yeah, they're normal things.
Erin Pohan: I was having the same conversation with someone who was very close to me in this industry just last week, and she was sharing something very close to her, and I said, okay, my teeth are busted. Like, that's what I say to myself. [00:50:00] That is my my, you know, negative talk. Wouldn't it be interesting if, like, we all went to this networking event where, like you, instead of thinking about, oh, my teeth are busted as the top, you know, thought in your brain if you did, you know that game that's like two lies or two truths and a lie. Yeah, but like, the truths are always so cool, right? Like, oh, I had two kids born in Tokyo, [00:50:30] you know, like, there's, like, there's cool things about who you are that maybe you need to put in the forefront of, of your thoughts instead of the one thing we're like, oh, someone's going to see my teeth.
Nancy McClelland: Yeah, when I went recently. I'm so excited that you said this because I recently, um, was privileged enough to attend the advanced retreat for Theater of Public Speaking, which is which is an in-person, um, retreat. Actually, Lynette O'Connell [00:51:00] was my roomie there. Um, and it was amazing. And one of the things that we did, believe it or not, was we had a makeup lesson and it was about stage makeup because we're all we're all presenters on on stages of varying sizes, and you do your makeup differently for stage than you would in your normal life or whatever. And it was great. We had all the makeup out we had. I hate dealing with makeup. I just wish I never had to.
Questian Telka: Put on makeup pretty darn good.
Nancy McClelland: Thank you, I appreciate.
Questian Telka: That.
Nancy McClelland: I am a 1960s style [00:51:30] go go dancer, so I have had to learn how to put on false eyelashes. Um, these happen to have rhinestones on them because we had a big gala last night, so that's pretty exciting. So there we were. Um, we were about to have this makeup lesson, and she gave us mirrors and kits and everything like that, and we pulled them all up. And you want to know the first thing we did in that lesson? She said, look at your face. Really study it for a while. What's your favorite thing about your face? And then we had our makeup lesson.
Erin Pohan: Oh.
Questian Telka: I [00:52:00] love that.
Nancy McClelland: So think about that the next time you put your makeup on.
Erin Pohan: That's really special. Yeah. Great question okay.
Questian Telka: How many do we have.
Erin Pohan: We have a lot. So let's.
Questian Telka: Try to wrap.
Erin Pohan: It up.
Questian Telka: Um, I tried this at the ADHD panel. It did not work. Yeah. Okay.
Erin Pohan: So actually this was a question I was going to ask on this list, but it's here again. So it's meant to be. What advice do you have for someone at the one year mark with their own accounting [00:52:30] practice? But also maybe like, what would you go back and tell yourself at that one year?
Nancy McClelland: Oh my gosh, I have to answer that. I'm so excited to answer this question. I've thought about it. I've thought about it so often because I think about this not just at the one year mark in my accounting practice, but I think about it like, what could I go back and tell my my younger self, like my, my middle school self? Because it's the same answer for both, which is nobody got a rule book. It's [00:53:00] not just you who are making it up as you go along. We are literally all making up. We are not only making up what running a practice looks like, we are making up what being an adult looks like nobody got a rule book. It's not just you.
Questian Telka: Uh, mine's very simple. Trust your gut. Trust your gut. Always. I remind myself of that all the time. Because whenever I do, [00:53:30] things always work out.
Erin Pohan: Mhm. What insecurities do you still deal with? Especially with your businesses.
Questian Telka: Ooh, I can answer this one. I'm not a CPA. I don't have my CPA license. It's an ongoing thing. I didn't graduate, I didn't go through a traditional path. I didn't graduate college when I was 22 like everybody else. I went back to school like three times and I finally graduated. But, um, [00:54:00] I, you know, and and sometimes it's because people will say things to me like, oh, are you a CPA? And I'm like, no. So they're like, oh, so you're not an accountant? And I'm like, no, I'm an accountant. Like, I, I know my shit, but I haven't I haven't gotten my license yet. And there's one big reason. Well, there's a lot of big reasons for it. Um, and this is hopefully going to be an upcoming episode, too, is that I didn't want to go back to school to get the extra school. I am a mom of a special needs child. I am running a [00:54:30] business, I have a podcast, and, you know, going back to school for basket weaving when I have my accounting concentration already seems like a big waste of money and time to me. And so you've.
Nancy McClelland: Also talked about how much harder school is for you because of your ADHD. Yes. Like I would go back to school. I have so many credits that I accidentally fulfilled distribution in undergraduate. I accidentally met the 150 hour for CPA. People are like, oh, did you go back to school to get your masters, to get your 150? [00:55:00] I'm like, no, I already had 150.
Questian Telka: I love learning, but I only like learning about things that I want to learn about.
Nancy McClelland: I want to learn about all these, and I want you to give me homework. I'm that much of a nerd. So it's a it's very different for each person. And if school isn't going to do it for you, then school shouldn't shouldn't be.
Questian Telka: A huge insecurity for me, running my business and a big part of the reason I went back to school was because I was trying to overcome some of that. Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Um, yeah. And I thought and I told her, I told [00:55:30] her she was insane when she told me she was going back to school to finish her bachelor's degree, I was like, you are insane. Why are you doing that? You don't need that education. You're already overworked. You're already, like, pulled too thin. Why are you doing this? She's like, because I want it.
Questian Telka: And to give you an update. This is actually interesting. I got a text message this morning from a colleague in North Carolina, and he said, I just read that they're removing the master's [00:56:00] degree from the requirement for your CPA license. So he's like, go get it, girl.
Nancy McClelland: All right. In North Carolina, they're doing that.
Questian Telka: I mean, I haven't double checked it. So I don't know. Um, I haven't had time that that was literally a text I got this morning.
Nancy McClelland: Go get it, girl.
Questian Telka: Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Enjoy learning about consolidating foreign subsidiaries, because there's a lot of that on the CPA exam. And I don't know about you, but I haven't seen any little baby foreign subsidiaries running around that need to be consolidated. Okay. [00:56:30] That is never, ever, ever happened to me. Um, my insecurity and I, the people in this room will laugh. Um, because I'm 53 years old, I regularly speak on on major stages. I run my own ask a CPA community. I'm a co-host of a podcast. I am constantly terrified that people will think I'm a rookie.
Erin Pohan: That's just mind blown.
Nancy McClelland: It happens here at Bridging the Gap. You know, I'll be hanging out with with Randy or, um, Roman or, um. [00:57:00] It was so funny. Nick Bosa was sitting next to me at lunch one day and we were chatting and, um, we were talking about pricing for for speaking and how much you're going to charge a vendor. You know, if you're going to speak on their behalf or something like that. And I said, hey, you know, I learned that your pricing was like under my pricing in a particular situation. And I want to make sure, you know, that you underpriced that because, you know, it was it seemed very low to me. And he goes, oh, well, but I'm just getting my start with speaking. It's not like you, you know, you're a [00:57:30] pro. And I was like, I thought Nick was the pro, right? Like, so I'm always I'm still convinced that I am 17 years old, and this is the first time I've ever done anything. And I'm convinced everybody else will think that about me. It is ridiculous. I acknowledge it's ridiculous, but it is a real insecurity I have constantly.
Erin Pohan: What beliefs have you had to shift during your career to get where you are today?
Questian Telka: Um, I think I, I can answer this one. My self-limiting [00:58:00] beliefs, but also I've been underestimated my entire life. Underestimated. And That has that combination with the fact that just the way that I grew up, my parents were trying to make me very humble. And so I lacked a lot of confidence. And so I had very limiting beliefs about what I could do and accomplish. Um, and I have shifted that mentality, and I literally feel like I can do whatever [00:58:30] I want to do at this point.
Nancy McClelland: Because he can.
Questian Telka: Because I can, he can. Girl, I want to do what? I'm going to do it. Yes.
Erin Pohan: I think the first year or two of running your own firm, and I'm a big proponent for there should be an entrepreneurial accounting course, which I found out there is something being created.
Nancy McClelland: For that is Brittany Brown actually. Yeah. Brittany Brown and I think it's Dan Luthy. Yeah. Out of Salt Lake City. They are working on a course exactly like that. And I am very excited to say Brittany and I got to talk [00:59:00] about this last week when I mentioned that we were meeting up, and I gave her some ideas and she's like, oh, we need to talk about this. I am super excited about that project.
Erin Pohan: Yes. And one of the topics has to be mindset, because you spend the first few years of trying to figure it out, like you said. And it's just a game. It's a game of leveling up your mindset, one setback, rejection, failure at [00:59:30] a time. And each time you get through that, you are a brand new firm owner or accountant or human being. And that is how you grow. Yeah, it's a.
Questian Telka: Huge it's a very different. I taught a webinar recently on this topic of transitioning from working in an accounting firm or as an accountant and shifting to an entrepreneur, and the one of the most important things. Well, there's two in my mind, and the first is always keeping track [01:00:00] and revisiting your why. And the second one is shifting your mindset because being an entrepreneur and running your own business is completely different than working for somebody else. And so accept that you have to shift your mindset and constantly come back to that and keep leveling, leveling up. Yeah.
Nancy McClelland: Well, thank you everyone for being here today. Thank you to Erin for the wonderful work that you did moderating this. Um, [01:00:30] we'll wrap up by saying.
Questian Telka: Um, we would like to ask the listeners to follow She Counts Podcast LinkedIn page and join in on the conversation by sharing underneath the episode. Season two Kick off celebration. What is one thing? What is one thing you most feel women in accounting need to hear?
Nancy McClelland: And before we sign off, I want to leave you with a quote by our host at the Bridging the Gap Conference, Randi Crabtree. He mentioned in [01:01:00] the keynote that his father said, you can do anything that you set your mind to. And Randy decided to update that. He gave a very compelling, absolutely beautiful. We had Kleenex at every table because we needed it. It was. So talk about somebody who speaks from the scar and not the wound, about the lessons that he learned and making everybody's lives better because of it. He edited his father's quote to say, you can do anything that you [01:01:30] set your positive mind to, because we have control over our own mindsets. So, Randy, thank you so much.
Questian Telka: Thank you for being here with us on She Counts The Real Talk podcast for women in accounting.
Nancy McClelland: If something in today's episode hit home for you, well, that's exactly why we're doing this.
Questian Telka: So you feel seen, heard and never alone.
Nancy McClelland: Remember that you can get CPE credit for listening at earmarked links to that, and any other resource [01:02:00] will be in the show notes.
Questian Telka: And please subscribe. And as Nancy mentioned earlier, leave us a review because that is what helps people find the podcast in the first place, and also share with another woman in accounting that you feel needs to hear what we're saying.
Nancy McClelland: Many thanks again to our amazing moderator, Erin Cohen. Thank you so much. Give her a round of applause. Uh. Um, as well as Randi Crabtree trimeric and the Bridging the Gap conference. [01:02:30]
Questian Telka: Yeah. Woo!
Nancy McClelland: Special thanks to our live audience and to everyone who tuned in questions. We're so glad you could join us today. Give yourselves a hand.
Questian Telka: And we will see everyone again in two weeks.