When an Ernst & Young seminar told female executives that women's brains absorb information like pancakes soak up syrup, as opposed to retaining information like men, whose brains are more like waffles, it made headlines — and it still stings. Nancy and Questian dig into why sexist trainings on topics like women's clothing and appearance remain a workplace issue in accounting, from vague dress code language to the cognitive toll of constant self-monitoring. The conversation gets personal, gets real, and ends with a three-question self-test that has nothing to do with what anyone else thinks.
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- (00:00) - Welcome to She Counts
- (01:16) - Why Women’s Clothes Are Still Policed at Work
- (02:14) - The Resurfaced EY Workshop: ‘Power Presence and Purpose’
- (04:04) - Pancakes vs. Waffles: The Absurd ‘Brain’ Analogy
- (05:34) - Masculine/Feminine Scorecards & Stereotypes in Leadership
- (08:01) - ‘Sexuality Scrambles the Brain’: Dress Codes Start Young
- (10:16) - Polished, Don’t Ramble, Don’t Confront: Behavior Rules for Women
- (13:35) - Shifting Responsibility + A Real Conference Story
- (16:58) - When Attire Really Is a Safety Issue (Rail Yard Example)
- (20:09) - Accountability & Research: Fines, Reviews, and Lookism Today
- (25:58) - The ‘Attractive Accountant’ Comment: Why ‘Just Take It as a Compliment’ Fails
- (29:15) - Blending In vs. Being Yourself: Power Suits, Color, and the Double Bind
- (30:39) - Finding Your Style Again: The Necklace Story & Owning Your Presence
- (33:59) - Dressing for Alignment: Quieting Self-Doubt So You Can Focus
- (35:06) - Objectification Theory: How Body Monitoring Hurts Performance
- (37:49) - The Double Standard: Why Women Overthink Outfits (and Men Don’t)
- (40:53) - Dress Codes & the ‘Emotional Tax’ (Especially for Women of Color)
- (42:08) - Pantyhose Rules and Other Outdated Policies: Real-World Stories
- (45:24) - Gender-Neutral Policies vs. Reality: Redefining Professionalism
- (49:58) - Culture Fit Matters: When a Suit Makes Clients Trust You Less
- (54:12) - From Appearance to Function: How Allies Can Redirect the Conversation
- (56:10) - What to Do If You’re Unsure What to Wear: Mentors, HR, and Clarity
- (01:01:23) - Practical Self-Test + Closing Challenge to Rethink Dress Codes
Resources
- Dress for the job you want meme - https://www.facebook.com/OfficialLyndaCarter/photos/dress-for-the-job-you-want-/1159144220762794/
- Erica Goode LinkedIn post re: physical attractiveness comment - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/erica-goode-cpa_opentowork-activity-7394630117991309312-LD3k
- “Professionalism” often codes male and white… unless you’re Will Ferrell on SNL - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mLsU46h8IA
- Stereotype Threat - https://thedecisionlab.com/reference-guide/psychology/stereotype-threat
Studies & Articles Cited:
- https://www.huffpost.com/entry/women-ernst-young-how-to-dress-act-around-men_n_5da721eee4b002e33e78606a
- https://www.app.com/story/money/business/main-street/2021/06/02/ernst-young-training-program-nj-investigation-fine-power-presence-purpose/7489879002/
- https://people.com/human-interest/women-ernst-young-told-dress-act-around-men/
- https://news.bloombergtax.com/financial-accounting/ey-settles-n-j-charges-over-offensive-leadership-training
- https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/jul/27/ey-oceania-staff-bullying-racism-sexual-harassment-elizabeth-broderick
- https://www.fastcompany.com/91229638/lookism-is-alive-and-well-and-getting-worse-heres-why-your-appearance-is-judged-more-than-performance
- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1111/j.1471-6402.1997.tb00108.x
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